Q: Coming back to sleep. Do you dream?
M: Of course.
Q: What are your dreams?
M: Echoes of the waking state.
Q: And your deep sleep?
M: The brain consciousness is suspended.
Q: Are you then unconscious?
M: Unconscious of my surroundings -- yes.
Q: Not quite unconscious?
M: I remain aware that I am unconscious.
Q: You use the words 'aware' and 'conscious'. Are they not the same?
M:
Awareness is primordial; it is the original state, beginningless,
endless, uncaused, unsupported, without parts, without change.
Consciousness is on contact, a reflection against a surface, a state of
duality. There can be no consciousness without awareness, but there can
be awareness without
consciousness, as in deep sleep. Awareness is
absolute, consciousness is relative to its content; consciousness is
always of something. Consciousness is partial and changeful, awareness
is total, changeless, calm and silent. And it is the common matrix of
every experience.
Q: How does one go beyond consciousness into awareness?
M:
Since it is awareness that makes consciousness possible, there is
awareness in every state of consciousness. Therefore the very
consciousness of being conscious is already a movement in awareness.
Interest in your stream of consciousness takes you to awareness. It is
not a new state. It is at once recognised as the original, basic
existence, which is life itself, and also love and joy.
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