M: Definitely, immortality is not continuity. Only the process of change continues. Nothing lasts.
Q: Awareness lasts?
M: Awareness is not of time. Time exists in consciousness only. Beyond consciousness where are time and space?
Q: Within the field of your consciousness there is your body also.
M:
Of course. But the idea 'my body', as different from other bodies, is
not there. To me it is 'a body', not 'my body', 'a mind', not 'my mind'.
The mind looks after the body all right, I need not interfere. What
needs be done is being done, in the normal and natural way. You may not
be quite conscious of your physiological functions, but when it comes to
thoughts and feelings, desires and fears you become acutely
self-conscious. To me these too are largely unconscious. I find myself
talking to people, or doing things quite correctly and appropriately,
without
being very much conscious of them. It looks as if I live my physical,
waking life automatically, reacting spontaneously and accurately.
Q: Does this spontaneous response come as a result of realisation, or by training?
M:
Both. Devotion to you goal makes you live a clean and orderly life,
given to search for truth and to helping people, and realisation makes
noble virtue easy and spontaneous, by removing for good the obstacles in
the shape of desires and fears and wrong ideas.
Q: Don’t you have desires and fears any more?
M:
My destiny was to be born a simple man, a commoner, a humble tradesman,
with little of formal education. My life was the common kind, with
common desires and fears. When, through my faith in my teacher and
obedience to his words, I realised my true being, I left behind my human
nature to look after itself, until its destiny is exhausted.
Occasionally an old reaction, emotional or mental, happens in the mind,
but it is at once noticed and discarded. After all, as long as one is
bur-dened with a person, one is exposed to its idiosyncrasies and
habits.
Q: Are you not afraid of death?
M: I am dead already.
Q: In what sense?
M: I am double dead. Not only am I dead to my body, but to my mind too.
Q: Well, you do not look dead at all!
M: That’s what you say! You seem to know my state better than I do!
Q: Sorry. But I just do not understand. You say you are bodyless and mindless, while I see you very much alive and articulate.
M:
A tremendously complex work is going on all the time in your brain and
body, are you conscious of it? Not at all. Yet for an outsider all seems
to be going on intelligently and purposefully. Why not admit that one’s
entire personal life may sink largely below the threshold of
consciousness and yet proceed sanely and smoothly?
Q: Is it normal?
M:
What is normal? Is your life -- obsessed by desires and fears, full of
strife and struggle, meaningless and joyless -- normal? To be acutely
conscious of your body id it normal? To be torn by feelings, tortured by
thoughts: is it normal? A healthy body, a healthy mind live largely
unperceived by their owner; only occasionally, through pain or suffering
they call for attention and insight. Why not extend the same to the
entire personal life? One can function rightly, responding well and
fully to whatever happens, without having to bring it into the focus of
awareness. When self-control becomes second nature, awareness shifts its
focus to deeper levels of existence and action.
Q: Don’t you become a robot?
M:
What harm is there in making automatic, what is habitual and
repetitive? It is automatic anyhow. But when it is also chaotic, it
causes pain and suffering and calls for attention. The entire purpose of
a clean and well-ordered life is to liberate man from the thraldom of
chaos and the burden of sorrow.
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