Q: How does the person come into being?
M: Exactly as a shadow
appears when light is intercepted by the body, so does the person arise
when pure self-awareness is obstructed by the 'I-am-the-body' idea. And
as the shadow changes shape and position according to the lay of the
land, so does the person appear to rejoice and suffer, rest and toil,
find and lose according to the pattern of destiny. When the body is no
more, the person disappears completely without return, only the witness
remains and the Great Unknown. The witness is that which says 'I know'.
The person says 'I do'. Now, to say 'I know' is not untrue -- it is
merely limited. But to say 'I do' is altogether false, because there is
nobody who does; all happens by itself, including the idea of being a
doer.
Q: Then what is action?
M: The universe is full of action,
but there is no actor. There are numberless persons small and big and
very big, who, through identification, imagine themselves as acting, but
it does not change the fact that the world of action (mahadakash) is
one single whole in which all depends on, and affects all. The stars
affect us deeply and we affect the stars. Step back from action to
consciousness, leave action to the body and the mind; it is their
domain. Remain as pure witness, till even witnessing dissolves in the
Supreme. Imagine a thick jungle full of heavy timber. A plank is shaped
out of the timber and a small pencil to write on it. The witness reads
the writing and knows that while the pencil and the plank are distantly
related to the jungle, the writing has nothing to do with it. It is
totally super-imposed and its disappearance just does not matter. The
dissolution of personality is followed always by a sense of great
relief, as if a heavy burden has fallen off.
Q: When you say, I am in
the state beyond the witness, what is the experience that makes you say
so? In what way does it differ from the stage of being a witness only?
M:
It is like washing printed cloth. First the design fades, then the
background and in the end the cloth is plain white. The personality
gives place to the witness, then the witness goes and pure awareness
remains. The cloth was white in the beginning and is white in the end;
the patterns and colours just happened -- for a time.
Q: Can there be awareness without an object of awareness?
M:
Awareness with an object we called witnessing. When there is also
self-identification with the object, caused by desire or fear, such a
state is called a person. In reality there is only one state; when
distorted by self-identification it is called a person, when coloured
with the sense of being, it is the witness; when colourless and
limitless, it is called the Supreme.
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